The cloud native wave is coming. Capgemini SE has reported that while only 15% of new enterprise applications are cloud native, adoption will more than double by next year. Its potential as a cloud-based, elastic and resilient service delivery model has appeal in the enterprise information technology world. But cloud native is also still in its infancy and the journey has just begun.

“It’s scalable and reliable by construction,” said Dominik Tornow (pictured), principal systems engineer at Cisco Systems Inc. “That actually doesn’t sound like it’s magic dust and that doesn’t sound too hard, but once you start uncovering what that actually means, then you see that the implications of that are far reaching.”

Tornow spoke with John Furrier (@furrier), host of theCUBE, SiliconANGLE Media’s mobile livestreaming studio, in Palo Alto, California. They discussed the impact of Kubernetes in cloud native adoption and the need for patience as organizations rearchitect for a new cloud-based paradigm (see the full interview with transcript here). (* Disclosure below.)

Love-hate Kubernetes relationship

The rise of Kubernetes as a dominant container orchestration tool has helped propel cloud native adoption. Kubernetes primitives, objects which manage containerized applications, allow the application to scale itself or recover from failure.

However, developer operations engineers often find themselves both loving and loathing the container orchestration tool, according to Tornow, because it places a great deal of importance on the underlying architecture.

“It’s a love hate relationship because Kubernetes is going to help you a lot, but Kubernetes also demands a lot,” Tornow explained. “Kubernetes cannot provide an abstraction that makes the reality of distributed applications disappear and look like one local application. If you got the application architecture right, it can support you to bring the application to life.”

Cloud native adoption has proven to be complex and requires IT organizations to patiently follow the steps.

“You have to give your IT department the possibility to rearchitect the entire system,” Tornow said. “You cannot do this overnight. If you want to arrive at a truly cloud native destination, you have to walk the entire cloud native journey.”

Watch the complete video interview below, and be sure to check out more of SiliconANGLE’s and theCUBE’s CUBE Conversations. (* Disclosure: Cisco Systems Inc. sponsored this segment of theCUBE. Neither Cisco nor other sponsors have editorial control over content on theCUBE or SiliconANGLE.)

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